Posts by Suraj Khan

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Things in the Bible that the JWs don't follow/practice.

by UBM101 in

i am pretty annoyed to read/hear them saying that they are the true christian religion because they preach, follow the bible bla..bla..bla... let's list down the things in the bible that they don't follow/do.

i'm sure they are plenty.. the fruits of the holy spirit, that's for a start.. .

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Suraj Khan

I always point to the Works of Mercy in Matthew 25 first here (as I did about 25 minutes ago in another thread). It's pretty basic.

Then the King will say to those at his right hand, `Come, O blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world; for I was hungry and you gave me food, I was thirsty and you gave me drink, I was a stranger and you welcomed me, I was naked and you clothed me, I was sick and you visited me, I was in prison and you came to me.' Then the righteous will answer him, `Lord, when did we see thee hungry and feed thee, or thirsty and give thee drink? And when did we see thee a stranger and welcome thee, or naked and clothe thee? And when did we see thee sick or in prison and visit thee?' And the King will answer them, `Truly, I say to you, as you did it to one of the least of these my brethren, you did it to me.'

Then he will say to those at his left hand, `Depart from me, you cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels; for I was hungry and you gave me no food, I was thirsty and you gave me no drink, I was a stranger and you did not welcome me, naked and you did not clothe me, sick and in prison and you did not visit me.' Then they also will answer, `Lord, when did we see thee hungry or thirsty or a stranger or naked or sick or in prison, and did not minister to thee?' Then he will answer them, `Truly, I say to you, as you did it not to one of the least of these, you did it not to me.' And they will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.

The fact that people like my (fleshly) brother and SFPW can boast about publisher and KH growth yet not lift a finger to feed and clothe the needy in the world makes me furious. Hypocritical, sanctimonious bastards from the GB on down.

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Are JW's scared of visiting apostate websites?

by yadda yadda 2 in

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i believe they are.

i think it's their biggest fear besides dying at armageddon.. there's a saying that anyone who reads ray franz's books is never the same again.

i think many jw's secretly know that there is information out there that would almost certaintly seriously damage their truth in their religion, and they are terrified of it.. they would rather keep their heads firmly stuck in the sand than even take a peek at critical information that might begin a slippery slope leading to the collapse of their unique worldview.. jw doing their version of the islam prayer:.

Suraj Khan

Absolutely. I've been out almost 25 years and I still can't use my real name because of the fallout from my in-the-truth(tm) family.

How insane is that?

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The reason behind why the ex-JW community can never match Jehovah's Witnesses' success.

by Stand for Pure Worship in

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an average of five kingdom halls being constructed daily, almost 8 million brothers and sisters, dissemination of bible literature in 595 languages, 111,795 congregations worldwide, distribution of 179 million bibles available in 116 languages, 239 countries where jehovah's witnesses have a presence, etc.. need i go on?.

on the other hand........... crisis of conscience, freeminds, the awaa, jw.net, ummmmmm........hmmm........idk six screens or something?

not exactly working out for you guys.

Suraj Khan

Here's how I would define Christian success.

Then the King will say to those at his right hand, `Come, O blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world; for I was hungry and you gave me food, I was thirsty and you gave me drink, I was a stranger and you welcomed me, I was naked and you clothed me, I was sick and you visited me, I was in prison and you came to me.' Then the righteous will answer him, `Lord, when did we see thee hungry and feed thee, or thirsty and give thee drink? And when did we see thee a stranger and welcome thee, or naked and clothe thee? And when did we see thee sick or in prison and visit thee?' And the King will answer them, `Truly, I say to you, as you did it to one of the least of these my brethren, you did it to me.'

Then he will say to those at his left hand, `Depart from me, you cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels; for I was hungry and you gave me no food, I was thirsty and you gave me no drink, I was a stranger and you did not welcome me, naked and you did not clothe me, sick and in prison and you did not visit me.' Then they also will answer, `Lord, when did we see thee hungry or thirsty or a stranger or naked or sick or in prison, and did not minister to thee?' Then he will answer them, `Truly, I say to you, as you did it not to one of the least of these, you did it not to me.' And they will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.

It's not about how many members you have. It's not about how many Kingdom Halls you build. It's about the WORKS OF MERCY helping the people of 'the world' Witnesses pride themselves in shunning.

When was the last time you recall Witnesses gathered to volunteer at a soup kitchen or provide aid after a natural disaster? I guarantee you the next time will be the first time. Yet you boast about the number of converts while people, some of them even your own, go hungry.

Please reread those verses and think about the real fruits of being 'no part of this world'.

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Can This Site Be Even Better?

by minimus in

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i believe this place has the ability to help countless jws get out of the religion.

this site also helps people understand the most current events in watchtower world, even before most in a congregation get to hear about it!.

at jwn, we have some very sharp posters who have abilities to make a point easily understood.. many have us have been out of the watchtower for years.

Suraj Khan

Some suggestions. Some are even serious.

- Disagreement is vital but the hits should be clean. Too many people are getting alienated by drama and personal attacks.

- A toaster oven for every 1,000 posts.

- 'Thumbs up' and 'thumbs down' for the less verbose of us.

- Free boobs in email. Okay, so I feel sexually deprived because of my JW childhood. Sue me.

- A knighthood for Outlaw.

- Instead of continually posting links to help sources, maybe an in-forum self-help guide for lurkers and newbies, a folder just called "The Red Pill"?

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About my Coming Out...

by braincleaned in

since my coming out publicly, i have received a lot of kind words.. i wanted to thank all of you from the depth of my heart.. .

on the other hand, i need to make two things clear:.

i'm often encouraged to use my position to create cartoons or stories for nickelodeon, etc.... i do not have that kind of fire-power.

Suraj Khan

Vincent, you rock. Seriously.

Please don't let the factionalism get you down. Frankly I don't get why people get so butthurt about it. We're all escaping a sadistic, totalitarian country to different lands. One happens to be JWN, one happens to be AAWA, and there are others. It's not important which country we flee to - what's important is that we get ourselves and our loved ones to safety.

You, Cedars, Simon and others are doing amazing work and I'm grateful to all of you.

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250,000 Jehovah's Witnesses have died refusing blood

by nicolaou in

80+ branch davidian cult members died in waco, texas.

250,000+ #jehovahswitnesses have died refusing blood.

stop this #cult!

Suraj Khan

Marvin, with all due respect, you have thrown in the towel on this one. It's a welcome effort to take the Organization to task for their false teachings on blood, but if that's your mission, you have to follow through with scholarly method. You don't get a free pass because you don't want to do the detail work. In fairness to you, this problem is swimming in variables that even a doctoral dissertation might not unravel and I wouldn't be too keen either in taking this on.

But I don't know that we need to. One needless death stemming from the blood doctrine is certainly reason enough to condemn the GB and lay serious question to their claim of providing inspired teaching to the JW community. The GB are serial murderers and a few case studies alone would prove that point. Inflated numbers only shift the focus away from the horror and allow the Organization to debate the validity of clinical data.

For that reason, I would caution anyone against using the 250,000 figure or even Marvin's 50,000 figure. Bring the attention to individual case studies and let the disaster of this dogma be revealed in emotional, not mathematical terms. That is where we win - with hearts, not charts.

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250,000 Jehovah's Witnesses have died refusing blood

by nicolaou in

80+ branch davidian cult members died in waco, texas.

250,000+ #jehovahswitnesses have died refusing blood.

stop this #cult!

Suraj Khan

Read through all of this and figured I'd weigh in. I have no dog in this fight and no enemies on this board, though I might make a few with this post. :/

The "250,000 deaths directly attributable to the blood doctrine" figure cannot possibly be correct. The statistical sample is too small and the methodology to find a reliable delta between normal and blood-refusing death rates too fuzzy. Worldwide, I would submit that the introduction of variables inherent between First and Third World medicine makes the whole proposition a non-starter until these variables can be isolated and applied to each delta.

Full disclosure: I am not a biostatistician, but I do work in insurance with morbidity and mortality tables and have done college statistics.

As others have stated, even from a 35,000 foot view, the 250,000 claim looks, feels and tastes wrong. Stating such without ironclad, peer-reviewed anaylsis to back it up is irresponsible and counterproductive. And inflating death claims, aside from being sensationalistic, is needless. Recall the Talmud: "Whoever destroys a soul, it is considered as if he destroyed an entire world."

One needless death is terrible enough to condemn the entire organization and its false doctrine. It does not need embellishment to be execrable.

I also agree that the suicide rate among Witnesses versus the general population is something worth investigating. In relative terms, suicides may well be a bigger issue than the blood doctrine. In moral terms (again, pointing to the Talmud above) both issues are absolutely damning to the Governing Body and WTBTS.

Again, I'm not looking to make friends or enemies on the board, but I do believe we owe the world community intellectual honesty and responsible witness to the shameful actions of the Society. Nothing can be gained from stretching the truth about the truth.

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135th Gilead Class video

by zound in

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whoah this video is so sad and cultlike - the most uncomfortable 6 minutes i've sat through for awhile.

the gb have seemingly pulled the rug from beneath the gillead missionaries and assigned them internally to bolster the organisation.

closing the ranks.. .

Suraj Khan

LostGeneration: " Jehovah, jehovah, jehovah. It's all they know how to say."

You know, there used to be ramifications for that...

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1st Time in 3 Years JW's call at our Door - Two 30 yr. long Time JW's

by flipper in

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i thought i was back on the jw radar after my jw daughter had a local elder call on me back in 2011 - but apparently not.

he obviously didn't let his elders know i lived here, no record was kept for posterity and just called my daughter telling her that her " dad has differences with the organization " because he never called back on me as he promised to talk again.

as i'm just inactive for 10 years.. so these two older jw ladys come knocking yesterday - one lady about 57 and the other lady older about 71 yrs.old ( i asked how long they had been jw's and told me they both have been in 30 years.

Suraj Khan

That's an outstanding job. Kudos!

I only wish I could be this together when they come to my door. They did last year, and I almost threw up. I managed to stammer out "I'm not interested" before closing the door.

Well, at least I have the brevity thing going for me. Which is nice.

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I'm Perfect, You're Doomed - a review

by Farkel in

"i'm perfect, you're doomed" by kyria abrahams, 2009, touchstone.. if you want a way to get people out of that horrible cult, easily, quickly and expeditiously, then here is how to do that.. i can say with a vote of confidence that anyone who reads this book will never and i mean never become a dub.

dubs who read it (assuming they have at least one or two brain cells left) will run from their religion like flies on shit when you pour bleach on it and blow it up with dynamite.. toss away crisis of conscience, apocalypse delayed, 30 years a watchtower slave and all those other very nice books and read this one.

i read those and all the other ones.

Suraj Khan

My younger daughter read this book on her own to try to figure out what my upbringing might have been like. I think the language was a bit much for her, but she had a much greater appreciation of the crazy I went through as a kid after reading it.

And yes, SFPW, women can write and stuff. Welcome to the 21st Century.